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Old 09-03-2009, 09:50 PM
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From the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms" 1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society"

Anything like this in the US constitution? I can see a few interesting apps for this article...
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When We The People of the U.S. demand that our government act within Constitutional guidelines (at the collective barrel of a gun, when necessary) we have rights that pre-exist Earthly governments.

What Canadians have (as set-forth in your Canadian Charter of Rights) are privileges which can be denied or infringed at any time by your government under the guise of "reasonable limits."
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Ah! But we are a reasonable people...

It seems to me that the reason that this article was included is to ascertain that certain rights, that seemed logical at the time of the writing of the constitution, do not get blown out of proportion.

There are reasonable limits to free speech. Yelling "FIRE" in a crowded cinema for example is unacceptable speech...

Certainly those who wrote the second amendment had no intention of including nuclear arms in the "right to bear arms". So again a reasonable limit would be applied.

There are many examples of American rights having reasonable limits put on them. I was wondering where the basis for this resides...
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There is no basis for the infringement of any of the rights protected by the Constitution and Bill Of Rights.

That the American people have allowed it is simply testament to the collective pussification of the American people.

Frederick Douglass said:

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress."

I submit to you that the American people will no longer be suppressed, and are (as evidenced by the Tea-Parties and townhall protests) responding with words and if our elected "representatives" don't respect the American people's wishes, the blows will soon follow. Some of those "blows" are likely to come from the billions of firearms that Americans own.

It appears that we as Americans are about to be witnesses and participants in American History.
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There must be a basis as these limitations are upheld by the supreme court...
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.... Certainly those who wrote the second amendment had no intention of including nuclear arms in the "right to bear arms". So again a reasonable limit would be applied........
Hold on there buckaroo. That's an assumption that you have no basis to make.

I believe William Paterson had a great concern about New York coming down and annexing New Jersey. We as NJ residents have the right to defend the sovereignty of our state.

They allowed for the citizens to bear the most destructive weaponry of their time. It did not have the provision stating only pistols, a measured response.
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Hold on there buckaroo. That's an assumption that you have no basis to make.

I believe William Paterson had a great concern about New York coming down and annexing New Jersey. We as NJ residents have the right to defend the sovereignty of our state.

They allowed for the citizens to bear the most destructive weaponry of their time. It did not have the provision stating only pistols, a measured response.
Well that's a good illustration of my point. The writers could not imagine nuclear arms so did not bother to leave them out. What if in the future someone invents a 5$ laser gun that can cut the Earth in half , should everyone own one? The small preamble to the Canadian Charter of rights would take care of that and many other unforeseen future events.
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Depends on who is on my side of the earth.
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